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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 9, 2010 9:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no offense but

Now that part always made me think of the plague (Black Death) - the part about the wagon coming round to collect the bodies. But "take you down" also sounds like a reference to Christ. It doesn't quite fit together. If they're taking down a dead body, that person isn't going to be naming names, right?

reading way too much into this I'm sure.

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Poster: buscameby Date: Jul 9, 2010 9:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no offense but

I have to agree with the plague reference for my imagery.

Just can't help hear the Python boys "bring out yer Dead bring out yer Dead"

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 9, 2010 9:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no offense but

LOL, yes the Monty Python sketch is exactly what I was picturing! The other image I have of the plague is from Daniel Defoe's Journal of the Plague Year (which is a really great read, btw, if you like reading about extremely morbid topics) and the images are pretty similar. Throwing bodies on a wagon suggests a mass burial, which suggests either a catastrophe such as an epidemic or else the burial of criminals who aren't thought to deserve proper rites.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 9, 2010 9:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no offense but

This plague idea is complete non starter, about as likely as the poisonous manta ray. The only body, so far as we know, is Sugaree's. Why is it being taken down, not simply picked up? If this were a plague song the imagery would be entirely other than it is here. It's a doomed relationship song.

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Poster: buscameby Date: Jul 9, 2010 10:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no offense but

Its the wagon reference to me also, I know its not a plague song but the imagery was medieval to me.

No accounting why some brains are wired the way they are. I guess I read to much Dark Ages literature at my Jesuit HS-lol.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 9, 2010 10:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no offense but

Maybe I'm thrown off by the wagon. The wagon to me suggests a mass burial, or at least an ignoble burial. But maybe it's just means a hearse. At any rate the "final taxi ride" (reckless Eric?)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 9, 2010 10:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no offense but

I was staying at the Marriott
With Jesus and John Wayne
I was waiting for a chariot
They were waiting for a train
The sky was full of carrion
"I'll take the mazuma"
Said Jesus to Marion
"That's the 3:10 to Yuma
My ride's here..."

The Houston sky was changeless
We galloped through bluebonnets
I was wrestling with an angel
You were working on a sonnet
You said, "I believe the seraphim
Will gather up my pinto
And carry us away, Jim
Across the San Jacinto
My ride's here..."

Shelley and Keats were out in the street
And even Lord Byron was leaving for Greece
While back at the Hilton, last but not least
Milton was holding his sides
Saying, "You bravos had better be
ready to fight
Or we'll never get out of East Texas tonight
The trail is long and the river is wide
And my ride's here"

I was staying at the Weston
I was playing to a draw
When in walked Charlton Heston
With the Tablets of the Law
He said, "It's still the Greatest Story"
I said, "Man, I'd like to stay
But I'm bound for glory
I'm on my way
My ride's here..."


Now THAT's a 'last ride' song!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 10, 2010 2:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no offense but

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkXDLNRVMxY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMKLoE5uUu0

This post was modified by bluedevil on 2010-07-10 09:32:01

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Poster: spacedface Date: Jul 10, 2010 12:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no offense but

Everyone's body is taken down into the ground, or water or fire if they want to cut to the chase.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Jul 9, 2010 10:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no offense but

You all have got me thinking!

1st verse: The qualifier of "when" in the first verse implies that his body has not yet been taken down.Perhaps the call girl is talking about her pimp being taken away in a paddy wagon. Although she works for him, she expresses sympathy for him ("your poor body") in case he ever gets busted.

chorus: Though she feels bad for him, there ain't no way she's going down with his boat if he ever gets in trouble.

2nd verse: Though her pimp always acts so cool calm and in control when he is out in public, at the end of the day he is stressing. I mean, shit, it's hard to relax when you're livelihood is based in illegal activity.

3rd verse: Although the pimp is successful as far as pimps go, he still has to work hard and be out on the street with his girls rain or shine. I'm not really sure what to make of the one last voice... maybe its the last call of the night and the pimp has to keep working even though he is enjoying his time hanging out with his favorite girl?

4th verse: The girl says goodbye to her pimp and expresses hope that they will see each other again when they are both in a better place a long time from now. If they never make it to that better place, well they just might run into each other as they keep living their outlaw lives.

Overall, it seems as if the pimp and prostitute have a pretty good working relationship... maybe there's even some love/attraction between them that never gets to blossom because of the business they are in. There is a sense of finality (I guess it's time you go) like their relationship is coming to an end but they are not about to stay in touch. Is it meant to be? Well, well, well, you can never tell.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Jul 10, 2010 12:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no offense but

There's no real indication of plagues or prostitutes. It seems to be more general, as in a death process like physical death which we all experience. Consider yourself already among the dead for best results.

Though the wagon could be run by patties...

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 10, 2010 5:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no offense but

There's no explicit reference to prostitution in the song, but that's what Hunter said. The plague thing I agree is a stretch.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Jul 10, 2010 9:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: no offense but

ah, "The song, as I imagined it, is addressed to a pimp."

For some reason I never thought of jelly jelly listening to Sugaree.

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